Americans Believing Lies

God doesn’t care about conservative and liberal, he cares about what is true and right!

I get tired of being told I have to choose between conservatism’s emphasis on truth and liberalism’s emphasis on compassion. Why can’t we oppose injustice to minorities and to the unborn? Why can’t we affirm the biblical right to the ownership of property (along with the command “thou shalt not steal”) and emphasize God’s call to his people to voluntarily and sacrificially share their wealth with the truly needy? Why can’t we uphold the truth of God’s condemnation of sexual immorality, including homosexual practices, and reach out in love and compassion to those imprisoned in this degrading lifestyle. The answer is, we cannot do all these things if we are first and foremost either liberals or conservatives. We can do all these things only if we are first and foremost followers of Christ. We can do them if and only if we are governed not by temporal political affiliations, but by eternal allegiance to Almighty God. Our governing document must be neither the Humanist Manifesto nor the Contract with America nor even the U.S. Constitution (great a document as it is), but by the authoritative Word of God. Neither the judicial, legislative nor executive branches of our government is the ultimate solution to America’s problems. Isaiah 33:22 tells us the solution …” For the LORD is our judge (judicial), the LORD is our lawgiver (legislative), the LORD is our king (executive), it is HE who will save us.”

Let’s change the bad and preserve the good!
Starting on Friday July 27, 2012 2:30PM at High Point Church in Arlington, Texas
http://dfw.undergodindivisible.org/

I appreciate your comments on the political agendas. It is a sad state of affairs when man turns from the only source of divine wisdom and eternal life and consults the weak and beggarly elements of this world. Possibly the most challenging and difficult aspect of Christianity to non-believers is the proclamation by Jesus when he said “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” This statement is absolute, final, authoritative, and inerrant.

The carnal mind struggles with such powerful dimensions since this earthly kingdom is subjected to feeble possibilities, hopeful assumptions, and disappointing speculations. My heart breaks at seeing the political platforms built on sinking sand when they have such opportunity to stand upon the solid rock of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus said we are the light of the world. Therefore, we must continue to perpetuate His light in this dark world of political dissension and spiritual complacency. Do not lose hope and do not grow weary doing the will of God for we will reap in due season if we do not faint…God Bless you richly

This post has all of the hallmarks of the religion of American Exceptionalism. American Exceptionalism is the idea that the god of the Christian religion made America strong and powerful. It’s quickly becoming it’s own branch of Christianity offering a unique mixture of Christian and American mythology but none of the actual history of either.

Also, you can quickly pick out statements which haven’t been thought about for more than 2 minutes. Here is an example.

“It is a lie to believe that wealth creates or contributes to poverty when the truth is there is no possible way to effectively relieve or assist the poor without the means to do it.”

*blink*

Imagine a garden where plants require sunlight, but in this garden the plants think for themselves and collectively decide how the sunlight is distributed. The plants, in their own infinite wisdom, decide sunlight should be distributed based on importance rather than need. Plants that are very important get more sunlight, whereas plants with less importance get less sunlight. The plant society quickly realizes that the less important plants are dying too quickly and this is an ethical consideration. A plant government is formed to solve this problem. The proposed solution is the more important plants should be required to provide some sunlight to the needy plants. The more important plants protest the idea on the grounds that they worked for their position of importance (whether or not any status of importance was actually acquired through work). The more important plants say that sunlight should be given to the needy plants but only through voluntary a means. So the important plants give just enough to clear their conscience. Needy plants are still dying because not enough important plants are voluntarily enough sunlight to satisfy the problem. On the other hand, if the plant government gets their way, it has the potential to become crooked and decide that some plants are more important than others and allocate sunlight disproportionately.

The sun never realizes that it was a bad idea to leave the problem of sunlight resources allocation to be solved by the sunlight consumers. They cannot do it peacefully and still solve the problem.

Aren’t you glad that gardens don’t work in this fictional world?

Sunlight is not something mankind can create. Wealth is. Your analogy is based on the idea that there is a limited amount of wealth, so it must be distributed “fairly,” which typically means “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” (Or in the original language, “Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen.”

I highly recommend examining the idea of wealth creation, because it is truth. Understanding this explains why we disagree. Jay Richards covers it in Money, Greed, and God and we cover it in Indivisible. There are others that cover it, too, so you need not buy one of my books to understand it. Just do yourself a favor and look into it.

And yes, I do believe Psalm 33:12,

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
The people whom He has chosen for His own inheritance.”

Whether that applies to America or not is up to her people.

There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they’re quite convinced they’re right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can’t help their feelings
If they like the way they’re made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can’t be happy in their shade.

There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream “Oppression!”
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
“The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light.”
Now there’s no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.

Written by Neal Peart

The problem here is that you assume that only the Bible holds the truth and that you and other religious people are making a truthful interpretations of it. Strange that you talk about those who are believing lies that they are told when it is the religious people who are spreading the most egregious lies.
The entire campaign against homosexuals are based on lies, you use debunked lies over and over, you distort the work of scientists even after they tell you that you are misrepresenting their work, you claim that your interpretation of the Bible in this area is the real truth but there is no corroboration to support it. So based on the human interpretation of a book written and modified by humans you persecute an entire segment of the population.
People like David Barton, who claims to be a Christian, actively and deliberately spread lies about American history. Barton’s lies and misrepresentations have been debunked by virtually every actual historian including several evangelical historians.
Religious people, too many to count, call President Obama evil and a tool of the devil and claim he’s not a Christian which is a palpable lie in itself.
Religious people lie about science, not just disagreeing with the theory of evolution, they spread heinous lies about it, such as Darwin lead directly to Hitler.
Some Christian lie about being persecuted in America, nonsense. Christians hold almost all political offices, and in charge of most businesses, have churches on virtually every corner and are given undeserved deference in almost all things. Every year we are assaulted by the wild, and untrue, stories about the “War on Christmas”.
In short, look to the beam in you eye first before you attack others for the mote in theirs.

I understand that you are angry that Christians will not accept homosexuality as normal. An online debate probably won’t do either of us much good. So let me simply encourage you to have a little tolerance for those who disagree with you, not spend any more time worrying about them, and instead seek to know Jesus Christ with all of your heart. Get in His word. Pray every day. Make knowing Him more important than anything else. Then you and I will be striving in the same direction and all of these grievances you list will be meaningless.

Stock Market Says We Can’t Solve Budget Problems With Taxes Alone

http://www.businessinsider.com/stock-market-says-we-cant-solve-budget-problems-with-taxes-alone-2012-7

With all due respect, our religious leaders aren’t even scratching the surface of the problem. They keep banging drums about lazy people who don’t want to work and how they want everyone else’s wealth. It is the international governmental system going into place that wants your wealth, not them.

Please, please, PLEASE educate yourselves on what is really taking place in this world. It is the anti-Christ system rearing its head.

Your people are perishing for a lack of knowledge…

God bless you.

United Nations’ plan for “sustainable development.” This goes beyond abortion, folks.
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

Agenda 21 for Dummies
http://youtu.be/TzEEgtOFFlM

Genetic experiments to change the scope humanity
http://2045.com/

While I agree everyone should do all they can to be self suffieient and providing, I am disturbed by my fellow Christians who for years has over looked Acts 4:31-37. Every Pastor preaches a motivational message of the first 30 versus when trying to motivate people as to how we can grow our churches. Verses 31-37 actually show what the first church did. I am certain beyound any doubt many of those earlier church believers worked very hard for all they had and when filled with the holy spirit did not blink regarding helping the hurting ( not the sociallly opted in dependent). Today we say God wants us to prosper, so we can have a home in new york and a summer home in Florida. we can have multiple Flat screen TVs multiple vehicles, boats, yachts, ATVs,vacation in the most luxurious places and call ourselves Christian. Thats right we gave a little extra a time or two or supplied a bag of grocreies to someone. The CHristinas in 31-37 gave till it HURT. They sold their land their posessions and saw each other as equal. Maybe this world has caved in to the deceipt of Satan because the Church/Christians forgot their role. I have had 5 discs removed from my neck, Open heart surgery , 2 lung surgeries, 2 knee surgeries, mutiple stints put in my heart and legs, My wife nad I have custody of 2 grandsons which when the need arose we sold our second car, many of our personal comforts just to pay the court fees, fees imposed after we were asked to take custody by the mother but the courts turned it into a legal process. WE have had these boys for the past 6 years and only receive a total of 125.00 in parental support. I am not claiming bragging rites – I am simply tired of CHristian giving only out of comfort -WE need to give as CHrist did -GIVE TILL IT HURTS. The government wouldnt have to figure out the answer if the Church would abide in all truth not just the comfortable truths.

we must stop the government from pushing the church out of charitable work. In 2012, and even more so in the future under recent legislation, the church can do less to help people in real need because some churches will not bow down to political ideology and promote things they believe to be wrong, like abortion and homosexuality.

As to your point about the first church, I would strongly encourage you to read “Was the Early Church Communist?” and even more on this topic in Indivisible.

in luke gospel 14. .28. count the coast under bush we started 2 wars gave tax cuts and did not pay for it the bill is do?
now ISREAL did not have a 700.00 billion a year miltry .they trusted in GOD WE DONT WE TRUST IN MONEY ARECAIN GOD

NOW THE ONES WHO RAN UP THE DEPT WHICH THE PARTY OF MONEY AND GREED WHO CALLS THE POOR EVER EVI; NAME UNDER THE SUN . WANTS TO PAY THE DEPT THAT THEY RUN UP ON THE BACKS OF THE POOR

INSTEAD OF THE RICH PAY A LITTLE MORE THEY WANT TO CUT WIC THAT POOR MOM NEED TO HAVE A HEALTY BABY /

FOOD STAMPS… MEALS ON WHELLS THAT FOR WIIDOWS ]S GET AND CUR PELL GRANTS

Americans are paying enough taxes. We do not have a tax problem, our government has a spending problem. They waste money, use tax money for personal means, and divide the people by setting them against each other. The solution will not be found by people voting for others to pay more, but rather the answer lies in wealth creation. We must move beyond the lie that wealth is finite and, therefore, the “pie” must be sliced differently in order to help certain people, like the poor. We must increase the wealth, which makes the “pie” larger. This is done through less government interference, the elimination of ideological waste, more personal responsibility, and more individual freedom.

He had “great wealth” (Luke 18:23), and the impact of wealth is the lesson Jesus was teaching to His disciples. He was using this man as an example of the corrupting power of riches and its detrimental effect on the desire for eternal life. The fact that the man was young (Matthew 19:20) and already wealthy would seem to indicate that he had enjoyed a life of riches and ease and had become accustomed to it. When he comes to Jesus asking about eternal life, Jesus uses the opportunity to teach about money, not about salvation by works. The first thing Jesus says to the man’s greeting “Good teacher,” is to remind him that no one is good except God. Jesus was not denying His own divinity. Rather, He saw beneath the flattery to the man’s heart which was self-seeking and self-promoting. Jesus, knowing the man’s heart and his self-righteousness, recited some of the Ten Commandments and told the man to obey them. This was not a refutation of His earlier teachings on salvation by faith. Jesus said this, no doubt, to try him and to convince him that he had by no means kept the commandments, and that in supposing he had he was deceiving himself. At this point, Jesus said the one thing that, knowing the man’s heart, would convince him that he was, after all, a wretched sinner in desperate need of salvation. Jesus points out the young man’s weak spot, his wealth. The man’s heart condition was made poignantly clear by Jesus’ command that the man sell all and follow Him. His face fell and he went away sad because he could never part with his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life. By claiming he had kept the Law, the man was declaring that he had obeyed the first commandment to love the Lord supremely and above all things, including wealth. He was also saying he loved his neighbor more than himself. But if he loved God and fellow-creatures more than he did his property, he would be willing to give up his wealth to the service of God and of man. But that was not the case. He had made an idol of his wealth and loved it more than God. He had not kept the commandments from his youth, nor had he kept them at all.

Jesus was using the man’s wealth which had corrupted his heart, as an example to the disciples and us.

When the rich man met JESUS. JESUS DID NOT TELL HIS DISCIPLES TO GATHER AROUND THE RICH MAN, SO HE CAN TELL YOU HOW TO PROSPER BECAUSE I WANT YOU ALL TO BE RICH? NO!!!!! JESUS TOLD THE RICH MAN TO “SELL IT ALL AND GIVE TO THE POOR AND COME FELLOW ME” LUKE 18.22-27 THEN LUKE 19 1-10. THE RICH SINNER TOLD JESUS HE WILL GIVE HALF OF WHAT HE OWEN TO THE POOR.

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin
Genesis 19:1-13 ; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.

However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 4:13).